Cat Converter Problem???????

Hi

I need to replace my Cat under the car does any one know where I could
locate one Expect from the dealer
I have a 1998 Protege ES 1.8L A/T

Thanks for any information

Begin Eddie DeStafney quote:

; I need to replace my Cat under the car does any one know where I could
; locate one Expect from the dealer

You could try the ASPCA. Although I think they frown on keeping
animals under cars.

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only be triggerable from the heart of your device/ship/fortress, and
should implode from the outside rather than explode from the inside.

Here are a few places that sell universal cats:
http://www.jcwhitney.com/autoparts/P...X/appId-385780
http://store.summitracing.com/partde...CTO-6004&N=120 4294923429
4294921547 303187

You would have to get an exhaust shop to cut out your old one and weld in
this one, probably cost about $30 for that..

"Eddie DeStafney" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:8137f$41336870$d1473959$28307@allthenewsgroup s.com...
> Hi
>
> I need to replace my Cat under the car does any one know where I could
> locate one Expect from the dealer
> I have a 1998 Protege ES 1.8L A/T
>
> Thanks for any information
>
>
>

I am curious to know why you believe it needs to be changed. Most common
reason seems to be that the insides are falling out and restricting exhaust
flow. Is this the case with yours?

Ken

"Eddie DeStafney" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:8137f$41336870$d1473959$28307@allthenewsgroup s.com...
> Hi
>
> I need to replace my Cat under the car does any one know where I could
> locate one Expect from the dealer
> I have a 1998 Protege ES 1.8L A/T
>
> Thanks for any information
>
>
>

its actually becoming a common problem with the protoge's also the intake
gaskes leak and cause a lean condition so excess amount of fuel is being
dumped into the motor which damages the catalyst and therefore renders it
useless and it will not perform ts job anymore. And the check engine light
will stay on.


"KWS" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:keGdneJ3rcrhtIDeRVn-(E-Mail Removed)...
>I am curious to know why you believe it needs to be changed. Most common
> reason seems to be that the insides are falling out and restricting
> exhaust
> flow. Is this the case with yours?
>
> Ken
>
> "Eddie DeStafney" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:8137f$41336870$d1473959$28307@allthenewsgroup s.com...
>> Hi
>>
>> I need to replace my Cat under the car does any one know where I could
>> locate one Expect from the dealer
>> I have a 1998 Protege ES 1.8L A/T
>>
>> Thanks for any information
>>
>>
>>
>
>

I am in the process of waiting for a new cat converter to be delivered for
my 2000 Protégé (1.6L). It appears to not be working all that well,
according to the test report the other week when it failed CA emissions
testing.

Of course, I am curious as to why it failed. It clearly does not have it's
guts rattling about; it merely isn't the little furnace it used to be.
Obviously, I would prefer to not have to replace it again soon (or ever)
once this exercise is complete.

So thanks for the input, Alex. I thought about it a little and decided to
pull one of the spark plugs out and see what it might tell me about the
condition of the mixture. This is a new car for me, so anything I do like
this is total discovery. First plug was really loose. It was a Splitfire
(which, frankly, I think is an example of what happens when marketing folks
get a little too close to the real product). Good news was that the color,
shape, etc was a fairly decent representation of a "good" plug. Second plug
was a something or other....but not a Splitfire. Hmmm. Wonder why? It also
appeared to have good burn characteristics and was in there kind of loose.
Third plug, another Splitfire, was probably the most correctly torqued of
the bunch. It also looked good and the final Splitfire required almost zero
torque to get it moving. It also looked OK.

So now there are four, new Densos in there, all happily seated at 15 lb/ft
and lubed with anti-seize from my lifetime supply tube.

I did not do a compression check of the engine, but I am pretty certain,
based on the way it performs, that none of the valves are bad. All in all, I
don't see any evidence that the head is running either rich or lean. Like
the little bear's bed: it seems just right.

Of course, I still don't know for certain why the converter crapped out. Let
me be careful with that statement: If the new converter solves the emission
problem, thereby demonstrating that the one I just took out is bad, then I
will not know for certain why the converter failed.

Ken


"alex" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:Nu6We.489004$5V4.281697@pd7tw3no...
> its actually becoming a common problem with the protoge's also the intake
> gaskes leak and cause a lean condition so excess amount of fuel is being
> dumped into the motor which damages the catalyst and therefore renders it
> useless and it will not perform ts job anymore. And the check engine light
> will stay on.
>
>
> "KWS" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:keGdneJ3rcrhtIDeRVn-(E-Mail Removed)...
> >I am curious to know why you believe it needs to be changed. Most common
> > reason seems to be that the insides are falling out and restricting
> > exhaust
> > flow. Is this the case with yours?
> >
> > Ken
> >
> > "Eddie DeStafney" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> > news:8137f$41336870$d1473959$28307@allthenewsgroup s.com...
> >> Hi
> >>
> >> I need to replace my Cat under the car does any one know where I
could
> >> locate one Expect from the dealer
> >> I have a 1998 Protege ES 1.8L A/T
> >>
> >> Thanks for any information
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>

another simple test that can be conducted for the common problem is to do an
artificial enrichment. What this means is to introduce another course of
fuel to the gasket areas. Buy yourself a good qulaity brake clean product
and spray at the base of the intake where it meets the head and if it makes
a slight increase in rpm the gasket is leaking and has un metered air
entering the engine and therefore will cause a lean condition.

"KWS" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:6umdnXciEaqS2rfeRVn-(E-Mail Removed)...
>I am in the process of waiting for a new cat converter to be delivered for
> my 2000 Protégé (1.6L). It appears to not be working all that well,
> according to the test report the other week when it failed CA emissions
> testing.
>
> Of course, I am curious as to why it failed. It clearly does not have it's
> guts rattling about; it merely isn't the little furnace it used to be.
> Obviously, I would prefer to not have to replace it again soon (or ever)
> once this exercise is complete.
>
> So thanks for the input, Alex. I thought about it a little and decided to
> pull one of the spark plugs out and see what it might tell me about the
> condition of the mixture. This is a new car for me, so anything I do like
> this is total discovery. First plug was really loose. It was a Splitfire
> (which, frankly, I think is an example of what happens when marketing
> folks
> get a little too close to the real product). Good news was that the color,
> shape, etc was a fairly decent representation of a "good" plug. Second
> plug
> was a something or other....but not a Splitfire. Hmmm. Wonder why? It also
> appeared to have good burn characteristics and was in there kind of loose.
> Third plug, another Splitfire, was probably the most correctly torqued of
> the bunch. It also looked good and the final Splitfire required almost
> zero
> torque to get it moving. It also looked OK.
>
> So now there are four, new Densos in there, all happily seated at 15 lb/ft
> and lubed with anti-seize from my lifetime supply tube.
>
> I did not do a compression check of the engine, but I am pretty certain,
> based on the way it performs, that none of the valves are bad. All in all,
> I
> don't see any evidence that the head is running either rich or lean. Like
> the little bear's bed: it seems just right.
>
> Of course, I still don't know for certain why the converter crapped out.
> Let
> me be careful with that statement: If the new converter solves the
> emission
> problem, thereby demonstrating that the one I just took out is bad, then I
> will not know for certain why the converter failed.
>
> Ken
>
>
> "alex" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:Nu6We.489004$5V4.281697@pd7tw3no...
>> its actually becoming a common problem with the protoge's also the intake
>> gaskes leak and cause a lean condition so excess amount of fuel is being
>> dumped into the motor which damages the catalyst and therefore renders it
>> useless and it will not perform ts job anymore. And the check engine
>> light
>> will stay on.
>>
>>
>> "KWS" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>> news:keGdneJ3rcrhtIDeRVn-(E-Mail Removed)...
>> >I am curious to know why you believe it needs to be changed. Most common
>> > reason seems to be that the insides are falling out and restricting
>> > exhaust
>> > flow. Is this the case with yours?
>> >
>> > Ken
>> >
>> > "Eddie DeStafney" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>> > news:8137f$41336870$d1473959$28307@allthenewsgroup s.com...
>> >> Hi
>> >>
>> >> I need to replace my Cat under the car does any one know where I
> could
>> >> locate one Expect from the dealer
>> >> I have a 1998 Protege ES 1.8L A/T
>> >>
>> >> Thanks for any information
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>

Excellent suggestion, Alex. Thanks!

Ken

"alex" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:K6sWe.205949$Hk.146230@pd7tw1no...
> another simple test that can be conducted for the common problem is to do
an
> artificial enrichment. What this means is to introduce another course of
> fuel to the gasket areas. Buy yourself a good qulaity brake clean product
> and spray at the base of the intake where it meets the head and if it
makes
> a slight increase in rpm the gasket is leaking and has un metered air
> entering the engine and therefore will cause a lean condition.
>
> "KWS" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:6umdnXciEaqS2rfeRVn-(E-Mail Removed)...
> >I am in the process of waiting for a new cat converter to be delivered
for
> > my 2000 Protégé (1.6L). It appears to not be working all that well,
> > according to the test report the other week when it failed CA emissions
> > testing.
> >
> > Of course, I am curious as to why it failed. It clearly does not have
it's
> > guts rattling about; it merely isn't the little furnace it used to be.
> > Obviously, I would prefer to not have to replace it again soon (or ever)
> > once this exercise is complete.
> >
> > So thanks for the input, Alex. I thought about it a little and decided
to
> > pull one of the spark plugs out and see what it might tell me about the
> > condition of the mixture. This is a new car for me, so anything I do
like
> > this is total discovery. First plug was really loose. It was a Splitfire
> > (which, frankly, I think is an example of what happens when marketing
> > folks
> > get a little too close to the real product). Good news was that the
color,
> > shape, etc was a fairly decent representation of a "good" plug. Second
> > plug
> > was a something or other....but not a Splitfire. Hmmm. Wonder why? It
also
> > appeared to have good burn characteristics and was in there kind of
loose.
> > Third plug, another Splitfire, was probably the most correctly torqued
of
> > the bunch. It also looked good and the final Splitfire required almost
> > zero
> > torque to get it moving. It also looked OK.
> >
> > So now there are four, new Densos in there, all happily seated at 15
lb/ft
> > and lubed with anti-seize from my lifetime supply tube.
> >
> > I did not do a compression check of the engine, but I am pretty certain,
> > based on the way it performs, that none of the valves are bad. All in
all,
> > I
> > don't see any evidence that the head is running either rich or lean.
Like
> > the little bear's bed: it seems just right.
> >
> > Of course, I still don't know for certain why the converter crapped out.
> > Let
> > me be careful with that statement: If the new converter solves the
> > emission
> > problem, thereby demonstrating that the one I just took out is bad, then
I
> > will not know for certain why the converter failed.
> >
> > Ken
> >
> >
> > "alex" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> > news:Nu6We.489004$5V4.281697@pd7tw3no...
> >> its actually becoming a common problem with the protoge's also the
intake
> >> gaskes leak and cause a lean condition so excess amount of fuel is
being
> >> dumped into the motor which damages the catalyst and therefore renders
it
> >> useless and it will not perform ts job anymore. And the check engine
> >> light
> >> will stay on.
> >>
> >>
> >> "KWS" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> >> news:keGdneJ3rcrhtIDeRVn-(E-Mail Removed)...
> >> >I am curious to know why you believe it needs to be changed. Most
common
> >> > reason seems to be that the insides are falling out and restricting
> >> > exhaust
> >> > flow. Is this the case with yours?
> >> >
> >> > Ken
> >> >
> >> > "Eddie DeStafney" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> >> > news:8137f$41336870$d1473959$28307@allthenewsgroup s.com...
> >> >> Hi
> >> >>
> >> >> I need to replace my Cat under the car does any one know where I
> > could
> >> >> locate one Expect from the dealer
> >> >> I have a 1998 Protege ES 1.8L A/T
> >> >>
> >> >> Thanks for any information
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>